I would like to invite you to read a special gift from the wilderness of cyberspace Rev 12:6... Not one child of God will be put in a hell fire no matter what their sins whether they repent or not in this life. It never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing and I prove it by the word of God at http://minigoodtale.wordpress.com. The true Gospel (Gospel means Good Tale) is now delivered Rev 12:5, 13 to the world as a witness. Before you judge this website please gather all the evidence by reading all that has been proven first Pro 18:13, thanks.
Yes, I can't judge Val's salvation but I can see he is following Shack theology which is very wrong. The only people in heaven that will have never sinned will be God and his angels. That being said, you need to accept Christ in this life. Why would Christ make it so imperative that we go and make disciples of all nations? And not only do that but do that because he is Lord and that all authority has been given to him? He talked about hell more than anyone else.
Okay, I'll stop berating other commenters now.
As for the comic, I remember James White said, if you want to have a small ministry, make it reformed. I'm surprised I haven't had more tomatoes thrown at me on facebook because of the things I post on there that are either Calvinist or Conservative, or in the least, anti-Rob Bell.
I think we should differentiate between the purveyors of Shack-Emergent theology and those who have been drawn into it. For instance, someone who has been wounded by having been in a legalistic, authoritarian organization will find a Jesus with whom they can sit and look at the stars together to be very attractive.
The teaching is deceptive and heretical, to be sure, but let's use some wisdom and love when dealing with it's victims and handle with care.
"with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God would grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." (2 Timothy 2:25 NASB)
I remember back around 1974 hearing Garner Ted Armstromg on the radio denouncing the Christian religion that "...would have us believe that God has children and babies jumping around on coals of hell fire."
Quote-mining myself : ) here is a blog post that I wrote in July, 2009:
The Plan Unfolds: sin enters the human race
So God created man, delegated to him dominion over all the earth (Gen. 1:26-27), and established a covenant with him (Gen. 2:8-9; Gen. 2:15-17). God gave a command (the law) to man (who represented us) and told him what the penalty would be ("...you shall surely die.") for disobeying Him.
An intruder (Satan) entered Paradise, and spoke to Eve. Instead of kicking the intruder out and telling him to "go to hell", she entered into conversation with him. This was the beginning of the fall of mankind.
The devil's temptation was_ First: to doubt the Word of God, "Hath God said...?" Second: to deny the consequence of disobdience, "You will not surely die." Third: to misrepresent the character of God, "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
In the eating of the fruit of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," man decided to assume to himself the right to determine what is good and what is evil; in other words to establish his own standard of morality apart from the word of God.
If these things sound familiar, they should, because this is what characterizes sinful mankind to this day.
This is also the threefold pattern of deception that Satan still uses today.
1. A Subtle questioning of the Word of God. ("Does the Bible really say that some people will go to hell? And somebody knows that for sure?")
2. A twisting of Scripture and a flat denial of the just consequenses of disobediance. ("We are all God's children, and none of God's children will be in hell.")
3. Impugning the character of a God who would punish sin in the manner described in His word.
Oh I definitely get the draw of the Shack. I lost my mother two years ago and it really does reach out to people who are grieving. I still can't move past the 5th chapter (it is a bit boring). Until I heard a recent John MacA sermon on Attacks on the Bible, I thought that the Trinity was the only thing I liked in the book, although Jesus was kind of a crybaby. Then he mentioned some theologian who believed that the trinity was just three people in a strong love relationship drawing people in through love and thought, that is exactly what the Shack teaches. So, I've thrown out all the bath water, baby and all now.
There are better things out there to help grieving people. Steven Curtis Chapman's album after his daughter died was pretty good with that. It asked honest questions and still pointed to a God who is all Sovereign but all loving at the same time.
I would like to invite you to read a special gift from the wilderness of cyberspace Rev 12:6... Not one child of God will be put in a hell fire no matter what their sins whether they repent or not in this life. It never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing and I prove it by the word of God at http://minigoodtale.wordpress.com. The true Gospel (Gospel means Good Tale) is now delivered Rev 12:5, 13 to the world as a witness. Before you judge this website please gather all the evidence by reading all that has been proven first Pro 18:13, thanks.
ReplyDeleteVal is a heretic and is lost (universalist). Stay away from them.
ReplyDeleteYou need to visit this, Val.
http://areyourighteous.blogspot.com
Yes, I can't judge Val's salvation but I can see he is following Shack theology which is very wrong. The only people in heaven that will have never sinned will be God and his angels. That being said, you need to accept Christ in this life. Why would Christ make it so imperative that we go and make disciples of all nations? And not only do that but do that because he is Lord and that all authority has been given to him?
ReplyDeleteHe talked about hell more than anyone else.
Okay, I'll stop berating other commenters now.
As for the comic, I remember James White said, if you want to have a small ministry, make it reformed. I'm surprised I haven't had more tomatoes thrown at me on facebook because of the things I post on there that are either Calvinist or Conservative, or in the least, anti-Rob Bell.
I think we should differentiate between the purveyors of Shack-Emergent theology and those who have been drawn into it. For instance, someone who has been wounded by having been in a legalistic, authoritarian organization will find a Jesus with whom they can sit and look at the stars together to be very attractive.
ReplyDeleteThe teaching is deceptive and heretical, to be sure, but let's use some wisdom and love when dealing with it's victims and handle with care.
My opinion.
Craig
Stranger in a Strange Land
"with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God would grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." (2 Timothy 2:25 NASB)
ReplyDeleteI remember back around 1974 hearing Garner Ted Armstromg on the radio denouncing the Christian religion that "...would have us believe that God has children and babies jumping around on coals of hell fire."
ReplyDeleteQuote-mining myself : ) here is a blog post that I wrote in July, 2009:
The Plan Unfolds: sin enters the human race
So God created man, delegated to him dominion over all the earth (Gen. 1:26-27), and established a covenant with him (Gen. 2:8-9; Gen. 2:15-17). God gave a command (the law) to man (who represented us) and told him what the penalty would be ("...you shall surely die.") for disobeying Him.
An intruder (Satan) entered Paradise, and spoke to Eve. Instead of kicking the intruder out and telling him to "go to hell", she entered into conversation with him. This was the beginning of the fall of mankind.
The devil's temptation was_
First: to doubt the Word of God, "Hath God said...?"
Second: to deny the consequence of disobdience, "You will not surely die."
Third: to misrepresent the character of God, "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
In the eating of the fruit of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," man decided to assume to himself the right to determine what is good and what is evil; in other words to establish his own standard of morality apart from the word of God.
If these things sound familiar, they should, because this is what characterizes sinful mankind to this day.
This is also the threefold pattern of deception that Satan still uses today.
1. A Subtle questioning of the Word of God. ("Does the Bible really say that some people will go to hell? And somebody knows that for sure?")
2. A twisting of Scripture and a flat denial of the just consequenses of disobediance. ("We are all God's children, and none of God's children will be in hell.")
3. Impugning the character of a God who would punish sin in the manner described in His word.
Stranger in a Strange Land
I liked the comic. Say "sovereign" and everyone freaks out.
ReplyDeleteFace it Michael. You're just the kind of a guy who naturally gets things rolling. : )
ReplyDeleteOh I definitely get the draw of the Shack. I lost my mother two years ago and it really does reach out to people who are grieving. I still can't move past the 5th chapter (it is a bit boring). Until I heard a recent John MacA sermon on Attacks on the Bible, I thought that the Trinity was the only thing I liked in the book, although Jesus was kind of a crybaby. Then he mentioned some theologian who believed that the trinity was just three people in a strong love relationship drawing people in through love and thought, that is exactly what the Shack teaches. So, I've thrown out all the bath water, baby and all now.
ReplyDeleteThere are better things out there to help grieving people. Steven Curtis Chapman's album after his daughter died was pretty good with that. It asked honest questions and still pointed to a God who is all Sovereign but all loving at the same time.
Love the cartoon, Eddie. Too good. :)
ReplyDeleteMichael wrote, "Say "sovereign" and everyone freaks out."
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the truth..
@ Ink
ReplyDeleteHave you ever heard someone say that God sovereignly chose to not "use" his soverignty in the matter of our choosing Christ?
@Stranger: To be honest... no, I have not. :)
ReplyDelete