Persistent Particular meet at a modern day "White Horse Inn" to discuss Luther’s and Calvin's ideas!
Too bad William Tyndale, Miles Coverdale, Hugh Latimer, Thomas Cranmer, Robert Barnes, Thomas Bilney, and Mathew Parker couldn't make it for the round table!
the english Reformers were Calvinists. Here's the 9th and tenth article of the 39:
IX. Of Original or Birth-Sin.
Original sin standeth not in the following of Adam, (as the Pelagians do vainly talk;) but it is the fault and corruption of the Nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam; whereby man is very far gone from original righteousness, and is of his own nature inclined to evil, so that the flesh lusteth always contrary to the Spirit; and therefore in every person born into this world, it deserveth God's wrath and damnation. And this infection of nature doth remain, yea in them that are regenerated; whereby the lust of the flesh, called in Greek, p¢vnæa sapk¢s, (which some do expound the wisdom, some sensuality, some the affection, some the desire, of the flesh), is not subject to the Law of God. And although there is no condemnation for them that believe and are baptized; yet the Apostle doth confess, that concupiscence and lust hath of itself the nature of sin.
X. Of Free-Will.
The condition of Man after the fall of Adam is such, that he cannot turn and prepare himself, by his own natural strength and good works, to faith; and calling upon God. Wherefore we have no power to do good works pleasant and acceptable to God, without the grace of God by Christ preventing us, that we may have a good will, and working with us, when we have that good will.
All of these men were martyred for these statements!
Hey waiter! See if I am right! I have the gift of discerment! You are an Arminian, I am an Arminian, my friend here is a Calminian, that lady over there is in a cult, that man walking in is an agnostic and the chef has had his driver's license suspended!
I'll have the Arminian Martini, shaken or stirred whichever the good man at the bar should choose. My Calvinian friend will have a bourbon, two fingers, neat.
I'll have a Knox on the Rocks and my brother here will have a Latimer!
ReplyDeletePersistent Particular meet at a modern day "White Horse Inn" to discuss Luther’s and Calvin's ideas!
ReplyDeleteToo bad William Tyndale, Miles Coverdale, Hugh Latimer, Thomas Cranmer, Robert Barnes, Thomas Bilney, and Mathew Parker couldn't make it for the round table!
Would be wonderful!
Why yes we are Arminians! :)
ReplyDeletethe english Reformers were Calvinists. Here's the 9th and tenth article of the 39:
ReplyDeleteIX. Of Original or Birth-Sin.
Original sin standeth not in the following of Adam, (as the Pelagians do vainly talk;) but it is the fault and corruption of the Nature of every man, that naturally is engendered of the offspring of Adam; whereby man is very far gone from original righteousness, and is of his own nature inclined to evil, so that the flesh lusteth always contrary to the Spirit; and therefore in every person born into this world, it deserveth God's wrath and damnation. And this infection of nature doth remain, yea in them that are regenerated; whereby the lust of the flesh, called in Greek, p¢vnæa sapk¢s, (which some do expound the wisdom, some sensuality, some the affection, some the desire, of the flesh), is not subject to the Law of God. And although there is no condemnation for them that believe and are baptized; yet the Apostle doth confess, that concupiscence and lust hath of itself the nature of sin.
X. Of Free-Will.
The condition of Man after the fall of Adam is such, that he cannot turn and prepare himself, by his own natural strength and good works, to faith; and calling upon God. Wherefore we have no power to do good works pleasant and acceptable to God, without the grace of God by Christ preventing us, that we may have a good will, and working with us, when we have that good will.
All of these men were martyred for these statements!
(playing off The Seeking Disciple)
ReplyDeleteHey waiter! See if I am right! I have the gift of discerment! You are an Arminian, I am an Arminian, my friend here is a Calminian, that lady over there is in a cult, that man walking in is an agnostic and the chef has had his driver's license suspended!
Waiter:.........(pause)...."Um_would you gentlemen like something to drink before ordering?"
ReplyDeleteI'll have the Arminian Martini, shaken or stirred whichever the good man at the bar should choose. My Calvinian friend will have a bourbon, two fingers, neat.
ReplyDelete